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Subject: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
12:14 pm
It's been a while since we made a list of Bull$hit things in the home brewing world that just aren't true.

1. Secondaries are necessary

2. Making starters with dry yeast will harm the yeast

3. Cold Sparging doesn't reduce efficiency


I'll start it off with three.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 25th, 2012
1:29 pm
The darker the beer the heavier and more alcohol it will have

Bittering hops are all the same

Simcoe smells of the litter box

Citra smells of the litter box

50% corn sugar is ok
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: JCF
May 25th, 2012
2:38 pm
Hot side aeration
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
3:10 pm
Homebrew contests are always consistent and the best place to get feedback.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
3:27 pm
The well known/popular/published homebrewers are always right.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: MMMBREW
May 25th, 2012
3:32 pm
Malt extract has a twang to it

cane/corn sugar tastes cidery

Homebrew shops always know what they're talking about
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
3:43 pm
A longer braid in your mash tun offers no advantage over a short one.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
3:49 pm
but the longer braid is prefered by the cooler itself!
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
3:50 pm
RU sure? My cooler is well hung and proud of it.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
4:00 pm
I'm told by the cooler community that size does in fact matter!
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 25th, 2012
4:01 pm
Whether or not something is a myth seems to be dependent on your own experience. Several of the things listed above as myths are not myths for me. The bottom line is to try things and let your own experience be your guide. If it works for you, it's not a myth.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
4:10 pm
It's always smart to believe what the elitist brewers tell you.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
4:13 pm
so I can brew up my LME with cane sugar, simcoe/citra IPA, after putting together a starter of dry yeast, cold sparge with a long braid with no risk of HSA then move it over to secondary, bottle it up and enter that in a competition to get some really great feedback?
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
4:14 pm
The required use of a secondary is a myth. Other than that, I smell a blue ribbon.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: mroakley
May 25th, 2012
4:21 pm
"so I can brew up my LME with cane sugar, simcoe/citra IPA, after putting together a starter of dry yeast, cold sparge with a long braid with no risk of HSA then move it over to secondary, bottle it up and enter that in a competition to get some really great feedback? "

as long as you do a primary in glass, secondary in plastic and tertiary in stainless you're golden. or maybe it goes stainless, plastic, then glass. i dunno. you're golden regardless!
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 25th, 2012
4:24 pm
I don't know any "elitist brewers". The phrase doesn't make sense. Trust your own experience.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
4:26 pm
Oh, oh, oh I have another as I wave my arm in the air to be selected.

You have to be an AHA member to brew good beer.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
4:27 pm
The hell you say!
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 25th, 2012
4:27 pm
That is indeed a myth. I know many great brewers who are not AHA members. OTOH, it doesn't hurt.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
4:28 pm
The hell I do.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: mroakley
May 25th, 2012
4:28 pm
"I know many great brewers who are not AHA members."

This.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
4:30 pm
you saying being an AHA member can make you a better brewer?
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
4:32 pm
What is that incessant sucking noise I keep hearing?

Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
4:33 pm
sorry.. my allergies are bugging me today...
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: mroakley
May 25th, 2012
4:34 pm
"What is that incessant sucking noise I keep hearing?"

Don't know. I'd ask you to provide more insight and to elaborate but that doesn't appear to be in your bag of tricks.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 25th, 2012
4:38 pm
Not necessarily, Eric. I'm saying it can't hurt. AFAIAC, knowledge is power and the more knowledge I collect the better the chance that I can improve my brewing.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
4:43 pm
To know turtles, is to know brewing.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: scarylarry
May 25th, 2012
4:51 pm
i like turtles
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 25th, 2012
4:59 pm
whole leaf hops are better than pellet hops
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 25th, 2012
4:59 pm
you can not recycle dry yeast
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
5:00 pm
well... I'd have to agree Denny... but that sounds like something out of G.I. Joe...
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
5:00 pm
There it is again.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: mroakley
May 25th, 2012
5:02 pm
Knowing is half the battle.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
5:06 pm
The AHA's constant meddling in government affairs will never lead to a homebrew tax.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
5:18 pm
All good beer is oxygenated.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 25th, 2012
5:24 pm
liquid yeast is better than dry yeast
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
5:24 pm
"liquid yeast is better than dry yeast"

Excellent!
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewOn
May 25th, 2012
5:30 pm
homebrew gives you really, really bad farts. at least mine don't stink.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 25th, 2012
7:38 pm
"The AHA's constant meddling in government affairs will never lead to a homebrew tax. "

That can't be a myth because it can't be proven.

"The well known/popular/published homebrewers are always right. "

Hell, yes... who'd believe Palmer, Papazian, Fix, Noonan.....
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
7:56 pm
Hmm, got some good ones so far. Anybody else?
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
8:34 pm
The way to make a small fortune in brewing is to start with a large fortune!
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: MMMBREW
May 25th, 2012
8:43 pm
Yeast will die and cause off flavors if you don't rack you're beer off of it in a couple of weeks or less
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 25th, 2012
8:50 pm
"The way to make a small fortune in brewing is to start with a large fortune! "

Unfortunately, that's been proven true all too often. Here's a recent example....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Brewing_Company

Didn't someone who used to post here work there? Was it Mr. Coffee?
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
8:59 pm
A while back I read some of the stuff at your favorite forum in the Going Pro section. If that one guy that constantly boasts about all his accomplishments can make a go at brewing, anybody can. It's one thing to pull something over the health inspectors, but another to brag about it on the internet. Of course I don't know if he's still in business and/or if he even makes a profit.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: BryansBrew
May 25th, 2012
9:03 pm
obviously, none of these statements are true or false 100% of the time.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: Oly
May 25th, 2012
9:05 pm
Initiating intentionally obtuse dialog will make other brewers think you're actually quite keen.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
9:13 pm
Or the other way to say that. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull$hit.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 25th, 2012
9:17 pm
Good one, Oly! And I agree with Bryan....blanket statements are almost always at least partially wrong.

David, I don't think Keith said he put anything over on anyone. If he did, posting it on the internet is definitely a bad idea. He's in business and he's making enough of a profit that they're expanding. I guess that's proof that both successes and failures happen in the brewing world. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years. There's been a real boom in commercial brewing and due to that 1000 new brewery licenses have been issued for this year. That's gonna really up the competition. And with the hop shortages, not all of them will be able to get the hops they need. I've been told by some commercial brewers that in 3 years you should be able to buy commercial brewing equipment real cheap. I wish them all well, but it seems inevitable that some won't make it.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
9:27 pm
Yeah, Kieth was his name. Yellowbird Brewing. You must remember what I'm talking about.

What I remember reading had something to do with a mash paddle that wouldn't fit in a sink, so instead of buying the proper sink, he hid the mash paddle from the inspector. Now, we all know that isn't a big deal, but when I hear someone brag about doing stuff like that, it immediately turns me off to anything else they say and ever wanting to try of their products. What else are they hiding?

I ran a business for many years and there were many ways we could have gotten rid of the few chemicals that we generated, but we paid the price and had a licensed company pick them up and dispose of them properly. Same with the Fire Marshall. If he spotted something that wasn't right, it was fixed within a couple of days. Sure, we made mistakes, but not intentionally.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: redbrew
May 25th, 2012
10:44 pm
"And with the hop shortages, not all of them will be able to get the hops they need."

Another hop shortage this year??
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 25th, 2012
10:54 pm
I wished I could find where Denny said during the last hop shortage that hop prices would never return to their old levels. I got a bunch of hops in my freezer that I paid less for than I did before that last shortage.

I think Denny must have stock in a hop farm and he likes to do his part in keeping prices high. :d
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: erkoll
May 25th, 2012
11:01 pm
you can,t make a good beer brewing DRUNK
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: EricHa
May 25th, 2012
11:54 pm
I don't think there is a shortage due to crop failure, I think its just there is so much demand now and not enough crops to keep up with all the new breweries popping up.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: jtrainer
May 26th, 2012
2:02 am
"The well known/popular/published homebrewers are always right. "

Hell, yes... who'd believe Palmer, Papazian, Fix, Noonan.....

WHO? I never saw them or their monickers/handles here at TB...

Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
2:18 am
If you don't frequent TB, who the hell cares what you write in a book?
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: redbrew
May 26th, 2012
2:27 am
Papazian? The guy that thinks he needs to collect $38 dollars from me every year even tho it doesn't help me and wants me to drill a bunch of holes in the bottom of a bucket? No thanks.......I'll pass.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
2:30 am
+15 trillion Red
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: aegir
May 26th, 2012
7:23 am
The german purity law (Reinheitsgebot) is almost 500 years old.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 26th, 2012
11:35 am
"Another hop shortage this year?? "
Depends on how you look at it I guess, I have contracts through 2015 right now So I wont have a shortage. 1k new breweries is a bit high since there were only 400 new breweries last year. I can confirm so far this year 350 new license issues from the Feds. It is still a conciderable amount. More breweries means more hop usage. The only solution is more hop farms but I think another round of prohibition should solve the problem. Or let business take its corse breweries fail every year too. I could not get info on number of breweries that closed last year.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
Is there a web site that shows the number of licenses issued for breweries?
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
12:30 pm
"you can,t make a good beer brewing DRUNK "

Since these are myths, that means you should get drunk before every brew.

Hey, maybe that's my problem.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 26th, 2012
12:47 pm
I do not know I call a friend at the BATFE and ask he calls me about an hour later and lets me know.
Found this though
http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/business-tools/craft-brewing-statistics/number-of-breweries
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
12:53 pm
I'm hoping if there becomes so many craft breweries, that a little competition might drive the prices down. I just have a hard time spending $10-$12 on a six pack of beer.

It's probably all wishful thinking on my part.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 26th, 2012
1:16 pm
I plan on opening a brewery in 10 years or so(pending my retirement).....I look forward to cheap brewing equipment from faild breweries......
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
1:21 pm
That's probably a pretty sure bet. You know I've been asked about going commercial and I've thought about it many times. I'm in the country with few restrictions and already have a separate brewing area, although expansion would be necessary. ATF and health officials would still be around.

Bottom line is that I just can't get excited about the thought of brewing every day.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
My business plan starts with a 7 bbl kettle, 4 7 bbl fermentors, 4 7 bbl bright tanks a glycol chiller a fork lift, and kegging equipment. I would like to sell kegs to local bars and get know on tap first. And expand from there if it is successful.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
1:36 pm
would you really need that many bright tanks?
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
No as I plan on one standard wheat beer that will go from the fermentor to the kef, the 4th one is for special brews like an imperial milk stout and Imperial IPA that need to sit for a long time. To be honest I am probable a little over the top on the equipment. I thought to go with 14 bbl fermentors and bright tanks and brew the same beer twice and put it in the same fermentor.......I have 9 more years befor I start making purchases. Also I am just going by what A local brewery owner told me..........
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
From my limited understand of how bright tanks work, I thought they were only used for 2-3 days at a time.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
Can be if you force filter, right now I do not have that in my business plan.....but I could add it.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: CharlieHorse
May 27th, 2012
8:16 pm
You have to follow recipes carefully, especially if you're serving only to your friends. If you don't, they'll complain about your beer.

Seriously, if your beer doesn't taste exactly like some master brewer says that it sound, who would know and who cares? If your friends don't like it, they don't have to drink any more.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
I kinda agree and disagree with that. While I think it's great if my friends like my beer, I brew for myself, not them. That means more often than not, I'll follow a recipe carefully so that I get the results I intend. I guess that also means that if my friends liked the beer once, they'll like it again..and vice versa! I'll brew a recipe over and over again until I get it to be what I want it to be. My friends may not know if I got the beer I intended or not, but I will.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 27th, 2012
8:41 pm
Extract only brewing isnt brewing.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
I brew untested recipes for my in-laws.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: CharlieHorse
May 29th, 2012
6:43 pm
Denny, I kind of agree. When I'm cooking a new dish, I follow the recipe. Next time, I make the changes that I want to make it mine. I think that we can do the same with beer. Tweek the grain bill or change the hops to get the taste that we want. That sort of thing.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: DConn
May 29th, 2012
7:23 pm
Charlie, that's pretty much how I approach both brewing and cooking. You can't really make a good decision on what to change unless you try it the "original" way first.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 29th, 2012
7:43 pm
I disagree. There are certain spices I just don't like or i think are unnecessary. I may see a recipe that I like and they are in it, I'll omit them. It's worked well for me.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: CharlieHorse
May 29th, 2012
8:06 pm
David, I'm gastonomically adventurous. I will eat anything, once.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: brewboy_BB
May 29th, 2012
8:20 pm
Well, I've eaten cabrito head in Mexico, so I can be a little adventurous at times, but when I'm cooking, I know what I prefer.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: jtrainer
May 30th, 2012
3:24 am
You can't recreate Guinness without 100 IBU's or 17% Roasted Barley!

Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: dnfd737
May 30th, 2012
12:00 pm
you can't over hop an IPA
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: petesgalaxy
Jun 1st, 2012
7:59 pm
Fact: You make more money in Brewing by NOT, buying Beer at the grocery store.
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: hankus
Jun 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
about owning your own brewery...7 members of our brew club have owned breweries,or worked in them and are ALL in agreement that it's not making the beer but getting it sold that's the challenge.Talk to folks in grocery biz and they'll tell ya that SHELF SPACE is the key.
When the Blossman family here near New Orleans took over a little brewpub,they sold a partnership to a major distributor along the Gulf Coast and took Abita from a small situation to the big production it presently is
Subject: Re: Homebrew Myths Revisited
Author: Gort_Brew
Jun 3rd, 2012
9:22 pm
@dnfd737- You could use the brite tanks as serving tanks, that's what quite a few brewpubs do. You can also use "biofine clear" instead of filtering, which takes 24-48 hours to clear beer (usually). I think if you have serving vessels then 4 is a good number but if you are going to keg all of your beer then 2 brite tanks and 4-5 fermenters would be fine.

Good luck with your plans! Don't come to San Diego... We have to many breweries here!

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