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Subject: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: ringtheorist
Nov 15th, 2004
3:55 pm
I had the opportunity to try this in Pittsburgh last week and was blown away by the complex fruity esters and surprisingly smooth finish for such a big beer. Has anyone tried to recreate it?

According to the Victory website:

COMPOSITION:
:: Malts: 2 row German malt
:: Hops: European whole flowers
:: Spices: coriander seed and others
:: Alcohol by volume: 9.5%

Of course, this is incredibly vague. I'm guessing all of the art in this beer is in the yeast and the brewing process, moreso than the specific nitty-gritty ingredient bill.

If anyone would like to take a stab at it, I'm all ears.

Cheers,
-brian
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: ringtheorist
Nov 15th, 2004
4:32 pm
Hmm, digging through old RCB posts:

"The Golden Monkey goes through primary fermentation with a
Belgian top fermenting strain. It is cold conditioned with our
standard ale strain. It is dosed in the bright beer tank with our
lager strain for bottle conditioning. So, the final bottle may
have 3 strains in it. Therefore, drawing yeast from the bottle
will not make for stable fermentation results."

From Jim Busch at Victory Brewing:

"The yeast was brought back from Belgium by
Phil Seitz and myself in the early 90s. Its
not available commercially, but try the White Labs
strains as they work well too.

"We open ferment in special hybrid tanks. These
50 BBL fermenters have a shallow dish bottom
and a manway above the wort line so you can skim
and harvest. 1-1 aspect ratio is important with
this yeast strain. High temps are also critical
but this varies with each strain. Be sure to
get 20% of your fermentables from sugar too."

Looks like this one may be tough...

-brian
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
Nov 15th, 2004
5:00 pm
I "accidentally" made one when I was attempting a tripel with WT3522 Ardennes yeast. I was siiting there drinking the resulting beer when it struck me that it tasted a lot like Golden Monkey. I happened to have a GM in the beer fridge, so I did a side by side and darned if they weren't really close! I'll try to find the recipe.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: ringtheorist
Nov 15th, 2004
5:10 pm
Denny, you truly are a miracle. I bottled my BVIP last night -- absolutely incredible. It was 17 days in secondary at 60F and it came out wonderfully. The aroma is ALL vanilla. The taste is like a french vanilla sundae with chocolate bourbon sauce... Only in liquid form and 10% ABV.

Many thanks,
-brian
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
Nov 15th, 2004
5:13 pm
Wow, what a coincidence...I bottled mine yesterday, too!
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: AZbrewman
Nov 15th, 2004
5:15 pm
Denny, definitely post that brew. I've heard "Golden Monkey" before and nothing but good. I can't get it so, I'll have to make my own.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: ringtheorist
Nov 17th, 2004
1:50 pm
Ping.

-brian

PS - Does anyone find it strange that you can't enumerate threads beyond the first page? You can only access them via search, or explicitly typing in their thread id in the url.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: BryansBrew
Nov 17th, 2004
2:59 pm
yeah, that's one of Rob's 2-year projects

We still love him though. Just not in THAT way
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
Nov 17th, 2004
4:05 pm
DARN!!! Forgfot all about it! I'll do my best to remember to dig up the recipe tonight...just keep reminding me until I do!
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: rob
Nov 17th, 2004
6:19 pm
I've got a few 2-year projects and some going on 3-years. D'oh!

To steal the thread for a moment...
I'm almost wrapped up with the new Tastybrew server. The one currently is 98% full on disk space. The new one is built and mostly tested but there are a few things left to do. Should be faster and lots more hard drive space. After that I hope to get to my old list of projects. Thanks for the support and understanding. Who knew a kid could take up so much time.

Back to the beer -- I've seen this Golden Monkey in the stores but never bought one. Belgians aren't my favorite but I should try it out.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
Nov 17th, 2004
6:20 pm
Yeah, GM is SOOO good that Belgians import it!
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: BryansBrew
Nov 18th, 2004
12:01 pm
Had some GM last night, and I've had it before. I think it's awesome. BUT, I also tried a beer from New Glarus brewing (WI) last night. I don't see it on their website, but I think it is the best belgian-style beer brewed in the US.

http://www.newglarusbrewing.com/beers.html
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: Ziggy
Nov 18th, 2004
5:20 pm
Hmmm... Bryan - Ommegang?

I used to find GM to be too sweet for my tastes, but I haven't had one in about three years, so I'll give it another go.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: BryansBrew
Nov 18th, 2004
5:44 pm
Yeah, I do like Ommegang a lot, but New Glarus is better.

I'm probbaly going to get a few people to take a trip to Ommegang next spring. Bust open some herkimer diamonds one day and hit Omm the next. It's about a 3 hour drive for me.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: ringtheorist
Nov 27th, 2004
3:33 pm
Not to be a nuisance, but ping!

Maybe Denny should give me his e-mail address so I can just pester him privately.

-brian
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
Nov 27th, 2004
6:29 pm
Just so happens that I'm online from home for a change, so I looked through my notes. I wouldn't consier this a clone as much as an "homage"...


12.5 lb. pils malt
.5 lb. flaked barley
6 oz. Belgian aromatic malt
4 oz. Belgian biscuit malt
1.5 lb. cane or beet sugar
.7 oz. Horizon 13% 60 min.
.3 oz. French Strisselspalt pellets 4% 10 min.
.5 oz. freshly ground coriander 5 min.
WY 3522 Ardennes yeast
Mash at 150F
OG should be around 1.080
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: ringtheorist
Nov 27th, 2004
8:17 pm
Looks like you're right on the nose with gravity. I plugged this into ProMash and it looks great. I might pencil this one in for the next batch.

Thanks!!
-brian

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

18-B Strong Belgian Ale, Tripel

Min OG: 1.065 Max OG: 1.095
Min IBU: 20 Max IBU: 35
Min Clr: 4 Max Clr: 6 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal): 5.00 Wort Size (Gal): 5.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 15.13
Anticipated OG: 1.080 Plato: 19.40
Anticipated SRM: 7.8
Anticipated IBU: 35.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 5.88 Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.068 SG 16.65 Plato

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
82.6 12.50 lbs. Pilsener Malt(2-Row) Continental Eu 1.035 1
3.3 0.50 lbs. Flaked Barley America 1.032 2
2.5 0.38 lbs. Aromatic Malt Belgium 1.036 25
1.7 0.25 lbs. Special B Malt Belgian 1.030 120
9.9 1.50 lbs. Cane Sugar Generic 1.046 0

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.70 oz. Horizon Whole 13.00 35.4 60 min.
0.05 oz. Strisselspalt Pellet 4.00 0.2 10 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.50 Oz Corriander Seed Spice 5 Min.(boil)
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: mikefromcu
Nov 29th, 2004
9:15 pm
Hey, would this recipe be okay racked onto a Chimay Blue yeast cake? I'm about to rack my clone out of the primary so I can drop this one right into it - the yeast was cultured from one of their bomber bottles.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: ringtheorist
Nov 29th, 2004
9:24 pm
I'm sure many have caught it, but my transcription of Denny's recipe is wrong. That's 0.3oz of Strisselspalt, not 0.05oz, in case you didn't scroll up to read his own.

-brian
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: mikefromcu
Nov 30th, 2004
2:15 am
Wait - Victory Golden Monkey, or Denny's highly rated Rochefort 8 homage? What's the dif between a Belgian Strong Ale and a Trappist Trippel?
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: AZbrewman
Nov 30th, 2004
4:17 pm
A tripel is a more specific type of strong belgian ale. Most triples are very similar. A Belgian strong ale has a wide range, and these beers can be very different from one to the other.

Not the expert.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
Nov 30th, 2004
4:46 pm
Tripels are light colored beeers. Belgian strongs aren't necessarily, although they can be. You certainly could put this on a Chimay yeast cake and it would be good, but it would be a very different beer.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: Freeflynick
May 28th, 2009
8:50 pm
GRRRRRR! AAAAARGH! Back from the dead!!

Denny - the recipe you have here - what are the fermentation "rules" - is it lager-style or ale? I don't have temp controlled fermentation yet, just in the coolest room of the house, usually around 72F - will this work for your accidental GM clone?

Thanks!
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: surferslats
May 28th, 2009
9:19 pm
I think I would go ale style to get the esters, but that's just what I think when I'm thinking belgian

And Denny, for some reason I had it in my head that you hate GM. Or maybe your views have just changed since this thread was created in 2004.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
May 28th, 2009
9:55 pm
Ale...I fermented it around 65 the whole time.

Slat, I've been a GM fan since I first tasted it.
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: surferslats
May 28th, 2009
10:16 pm
Ah, ok, maybe it's someone else on here I was thinking of. It's hard to keep these mental facts straight about people I've never met . It's a local brewery for me, so I tend to get defensive about them haha. Haven't had a GM since last summer. It's been too long. Anyway, good to know, Denny. Sorry about the confusion
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: DConn
May 29th, 2009
12:28 am
Hey, I pretty much love every Victory beer I've ever had (well, there was that V10!). I've been disappointed by the hoppiness of Hop Devil and Hop Wallop, but that's personal taste and I'm happy to say that I still think they're both great beers. GM and Prima Pils are 2 of my all time fave beers. And I'm with you....it's been too long since I've had a GM. I'm gonna pick up a bottle tomorrow! Thanks for the reminder....
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: mjarvis
May 29th, 2009
12:39 am
Denny once told me years ago that if he could brew Golden Monkey he'd never leave the house!!!

Quick - someone come up with a recipe!!

--/\/\--
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: jmo
May 29th, 2009
3:01 pm
friggin' zombie monkey - he got me for about three or four posts - SHOOT 'EM IN THE HEAD!!!!
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: AZbrewman
May 29th, 2009
10:36 pm
I brewed that recipe Denny post about a year ago (minus corriander and with wlp550), never had the monkey but the one I made was the fav. of three srtong belgians made. I thought it was good but needed 2-4+ months to get real good.

Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: MountainBrew
Mar 10th, 2016
3:36 am
Last post almost 7 years ago. Not too encouraging.

Anyone tweaked MonsterBrew's "Monks in a Barrel" extract kit to get in the ballpark? Victory states "with extra spice" and some say it's Coriander, and others say it's a cousin to Ginger Root, Galangal.

Anyone here ever use dried Galangal?

Thanks
Subject: Re: Victory Golden Monkey clone?
Author: spargebag
Mar 21st, 2016
12:50 am
I've used fresh galangal in Vietnamese shrimp soup and it is like ginger w a fruity overtone perhaps a note of green mango powder. I wouldn't hesitate to use it in a saison or gsa. I wouldn't use powdered though... like ginger I imagine it'd be harsh. U can get fresh if there's a wegmans or Asian grocer nearby. I'd use it like ginger 1 to 3 oz abt 5 min.

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